Page Eight SCARLET AND BLACK Liberman Muses on Ethos of Baseball As Nalional Pastime. Profession, and Business Iiy 'rini Purges in the tiirthrrancc oi this paper's oiiorts to determine the t~~~t~llti1l| characteristics oi its constituent parts tso as to ill'l‘ltv {It all flflfilrllle catt-gorimlinli or news 7 we have interviewed V l.ihrrinau on the subject til ’iriwhnll. Specilicnlly, pro hast-hull. The general question post-it w s. just what is the appeal 7 the beauty of a sport well played. obviously, the aim til the athlete is to win lint whiit art» the proper aims iii the tan in attending a cons test: There is n winner and a loser at every level or every game. so obviously it can't he rlirrr ii wiuut-r anti boo ii loser 7oi- ciiu it? .\li\lL: The old Brooklyn tans, when I used to see them as a kid. were terribly partisan There’s no question about it . . they went to Ebhets Field to see the Dodgers win. . . They were depressed alid angry when the Dodgers did not win Bill there were some things ihcy would never do There were the things that they wouldn't do, crcn in the days when they were losing a lot . , when presumably their morale could have been bad Tlicy wouldn’t jockey their players during the game, and they would not boo their own players when their own players were in a slump. . . (This was) tmhcardoi. That's typical bush behavior today, The idea of bringing another major league team to Milwaukee is really amusing whcn you consider the way they treated their last team when they were losing, rm not talking about sports manship- l'm talking about the myth or the game You either love baseball and you appreciate it for tiic way that it is played or you don’t. And this has nothing lo do with sportsmanship, it has to do with being a pro, when you appreciatea pro pcriormance. Even when the Dodgers were desperate tor a Pennant 7 in their angriest moments. . . in their most depressed aiternoons, they would not boo one of their own men because he dropped a ily ball. Nor would they try to get to an opposing centcr holder to get him to drop a ily ball because they wanted their team to win. They would never havc done anything like that You may have heard oi Gil Hodgcs’ iamous slump7it was a monumental slump, a record-brcakcr. i don't know how many consecutive times he came [0 bat without a hit . and cvcry time he came to bat he got a bigger hand than the time beiore, Can you imagine lhatinWrigleyileldtoday? No Now where docs all the trouble begin, . . what does it all mean, ldon’t know. . I think it means something because I think baseball is extremely important I | to American litc7souietinw. don’t have the mystique figs ured out, but it is a mysterious thing I think baseball doL-s a lot tor American lite and I think baseball has signiiied a lot tor American lire-myth or whatever you want to call it Now the trouble must have started ,by trouble 1 mean the decline oi baseball which you rccognizc,, Skit: Do you mean a decline in the quality oi the game7 MML: No The players are better than ever. . the players arc tantastic as atlilctrs. There's noqucstionaboutit Never mind your Ty Cobb sliding into third, .that kind at thing. These guys could slide circles around Ty Cobb, There are halt a dozen Ty Cobb: on every ball club today These guys are fantastic atlilelCS. I’m not talking about that. (I I . “ Q (5 orbital?! I'm talking a out some quality in the game which. . , seems to have gone out oi the game. I don't. ‘know exactly what it is, . . but there are a couplc of connections that lthiiik can be made I think that there must have bccn a time wlicn ball players understood that Baseballwas hke lite or that lite was like baseball. And this was all right.- The trouble must have started when the metaphor started to take the place of the reality; that is, when the people in the game slarlcd to decide that baseball was lite. There are people in the game like that, , ,it seems to me when you coniusc metaphors viith reality, then you’re nuts. Slut: So Dnrocher is nuts because or his emphasis on winning" ,\l.\l :ldidn'l want to call him "nuts," but I think that he par- takcs or a certain nuttiness, and there are others like him in the game, * Eddie Siankey. [or example. And there have always been people in the game like that, but I don‘t think the game was nominated by your people who (’llllltl not make th distinction lit-tween baseball and life. Now when you start to think ol’ baseball and hit: as the same thing. then it's only a quick little jump lrom the idea that it has to be played to win at any price 7 that's onc correlary 7 and the other is that the game must be made to pay oil, 7Grcediness, Since you live by material in the wol'ld..,bascball is no longer a game tor this kind oi mentality. “'5 no longer like having a stable of flood horses. You not only havc to have a stable at good horses, but the horses have to win, and they have to bring in alot oi dough Mr Wrigley hasn't played the game that way, But that crowd out in center field don't seem to know that. They would seem to belong to a diilerent baseball mentality that's completely lost sight of the idea of baseball as like life. To them baseball seems to Dollie. Now, when can you begin to see the declinc'7 Probably, historically — and this is a kind irony 7 Babe Ruth is probably the beginning of the trouble, That is, when you start to build the team around the idea oi a guy knocking the ball over the icnce. And you start moving the lenees a bit, so the guy can get the ball over the fence And you start to yack the price at admissions up a bit, so they can come to see the guy hit the ball over the icnce that‘s been moved in a bit. And you pay the guy a hundred thousand dollars a year to hit the ball over thc icncc; the game's all tscrcwedi up. 5&B: The idea is that Babe Ruth's a hero, right? He‘s larger lhanlile. ' MML: The game, as Malamud makes dramatic in his book 7 t'rhc Natural — ed.) 7 the game rises and tails with the hero, . It depends on what kind of a hero . . shits: When your team‘s at bat, and when its the bottom oi the order. the catcher and the pitcher 7 and say, you’ve got a second baseman who Can't hit You’ve got these three people coming up 7 Thc iaiis Sit back, And they wait tor the next inning, because nothing happens. But then the next inning 7 you've got the good people coming in. people who can really pttl it up. And then you've got iiitci-cst. Then you've got heroes THE LABOWITZ REPORT: “Cl-ii non puo quel che vuol, quel the put) voglia.” SCARLET 8 BLACK THE WEEKLY SPORTSPAGE Leonardo da Vincl SPORTS - , mmWKfisaiflfim Friday, April to. l970 Cleveland. Dibble. Cowles. O-C Take I.M. Openers ByJ. c. Labowitz The 123rd llu'soitball season opened on Monday, and trom all indications this season should be the highest point in soltball history since J,B. Grinncll invented the game to see how far west he had come, Be that as it may, the season openers saw Cleveland take Loose 6rd, and Dibble shutout Haines 370, despite Dave Brown’s 15 strikeouts for Homes, which must Set some kind of record. Dave MacKenzie wasn't that good tor Cleveland, but he had some hitting, which is somewhat essential. Great consternation was {git in IM circles (or diamonds) about the dominance of pitching 7 only 13 runs in 2 games! Such worries were dispelled and IMS returned to form by Tuesday, as Cowles beat East by something like 28-8, and Read and Oli~Campils bad a pitcher's duel that ended 23725, Read. Go had some players irom very tar off-campus, like Park Elementary, and Read needed a home run from an outfielder named Labowitz to win. West Norris is not competing in softball, and the franchise is being moved to the Faculty. Steve Johnson is arranging the Faculty players and schedule, since profs are not supposed to cut classes for [M games. But then again, neither are students. Grinnell’s track team made an inauspicious start drop- ping the first meet of the season to Loras. Grinnell took two events in the quad meet. Norris Stubbs (above) took the triple jump with a 45-0 pedom- ance, And Bill Schooler took the javelin with a loss of 151-10. NHL: on well 7 it probably does work that 7 and it probably has come to work that way more and more, But that's not the way it’s worked, let’s say since you invoked that setting 7 that's not the way it worked at Ebbcts Field in the thirties and iortics, Where every man on the team was the next thing to a divinity to every kid in Flatbusb, Nevertheless, the guys on the other team were also heroes. And there was a great deal oi interest in what went on when the other guys were up to bat You didn’t. want them to go down 1273 so your guys could get up. There was a real interest in the game. And there was a terrific amount oiexcitoment. . stats: Do you think that the game is as interesting, still" \HIL: The game is iii- trinsically unchanged, except iiisoiai- as it‘s been corrupted by those who have tried to make something else out oi it, and who are gradually succeeding The game is intrinsically the same They haven't even changed the rules in any important way, which is a good thing. Although. .they have monkeyed around with the game a great deal. They've monkeyed with the ball, they've monkeyed with the iences, they've monkeyed with the height of the pitching mound, and they’re .doing their best to make as much of a television Show out of it as they can. . .And this is part oi the corruption. They haven't succeeded, quite, in leasing up the whole thing up 7 but they're working on it. And it started a long time ago with an exploitation oi what was not essential in the game. At the same time that Ruth was hitting those homers, somebody was making double plays, but nobody waspayingaiiyattention. the excitement ior Musial when the Cards came in those days was tantastic When he took his position on the iield, you didn‘t ycll obscenitics at him you wouldn't think at it. But that's what they do. They started doing it with Williams in rcnway park. And LIBERMAN— Continued on page 7