Friday. Fcbiurry 2. I963 SCARLET AND BLACK Pogo Thu. I“ By HARRY ANCONA [ went to the Pizza Pub Mom dly night to talk to Jim Slehise kn. Everyone on campus knows bir name: he’s “the big tough irom town who beat up Lou Kelley twice one night last Spring. and has been harassing Negroes in town all year” — or so the story goes. His name is always the lirst mentioned when town . college problems are discussed, and I wanted to find out why. when I walked Into the Pub, Jim was at the bar ~ drinking u coke. Beer Wasn't agreeing with him today, he said. With u remark to the people at the bar that he was going to a back room where they couldn’t hear what he was going to tell me, we sat down in one of the hack booths, We each had a coke Before 1 could ask a question, Jim started. “I knoiv why you’re here. Whenever there’s any trouble, my name comes up. There's one reason (or that — Lou Kel- ley. We tangled one night. He’s supposed to be the tough col- lege kid, and I’m the town bad guy " Was the fight a racial issue? "No’ it wasn’t even Kelley’s light. I was fighting with this kid # he wasn’t even a college kid # a friend at a college kid, 1 think. l was down — i guess he thought he could get a couple oi good shots at me. Well, alter the tight there. i got a phone call — i think it was Dick Klausuer. He said I was chickenshit if I’didn’t come up to the college, 1 was pretty drunk, so I Went. I looked for Lawson and Nord (John Law- son and Nord Brue) but they weren't around. So I asked some other kids Where the Ne- groes were They said ‘down at the other end (oi the Ioggia)’ so i went down there. We got to lighting again, and then the law came and broke it up, “Sometime latter. three Ne- gmes and one white guy came and told me Kelley wanted to talk to me. I said that if he brought one guy. and Ibrought one, we’d talk. They said he Wanted to talk to me to see that there wasn’t going in be any trouble during the summer -— I guess he was going to be in town. I didn’t see him all summer — was he here? (Keb iey spent most at the summer In Grinnell With several other students working on a Sociology department project)." Do you consider ynurseli pre judiced? “I was born and raised in Grinnell — went to high school here. Except ior two years in New Mexico, We lived here all my life (Jim, 23, is the youngest of three girls and two EVERinERE I 5qu .115 we SAME ow afoot-i. HATRED “AIRW- I WIRED , AN INTERVIEW WITH BIG IIM boys, children oi Mr. and Mrs. Jerome Slehiskak I'm doing carpentry work [or a man now; before that I worked on con- struction — llni a bulldozer op- erator. When I [Ell Gi‘innell to go to college, there wasn't a prejudiced bone in my body. A buddy oi mine out there (Un- iversity oi New Mexico) got cut up by two Negroes. And i lived with them (Negroes) ior two years; l mean in athletics, They were always griping about the bad deal they were getting, but they were getting the same deal as us white guys. They weren’t all like that. You know Don Perkins of the Dallas Cowboys? He was there. He was a good guy. But most of them just complained. You know what i think the govern— ment should do? They should buy the Negroes an island somewhere. but you know what? They wouldn't go. They want to stay here and raise hell.” Do you have any prejudice Inward Indians? ”NOW there are people who do have a gripe. They've hail everything taken away lrom them: lend, money, even their reservations No, I've got no prejudice to ward themi I’Ve got friends who are lndians. This college kid John (Wabaunsee) who was working at the Pub is an in- dian # I'Ve talked to him a lot. One night a couple oi town kids said they didn't want him cook- ing their pizza ~ and i got really mad." Did your reputation tor pick- ing on Negro college kids come irum just the Kelley incident? “No, there was one other time. i was drinking downtown, and a white girl and a colored boy came in. Now 1 just can't see that. i bet 95% or the people are against that interracial stuir. but 95% or them don't have the guts to say it. I mean it’s the kids 01 these couples that get hurt. Anyway, it's just a means of getting attention. I was out with some of my bud- dies bdck from the service, you know, raising hell. Anyway. there was a businessman in there, a well»established man in town. He started antagoniz- ing them. My buddies started throwing ice. I threw some too. The businessman look this Camera I had and said he was going to take a picture of the couple and send it to the alum- nl magazine or something and that their folks would get copies. That’s the thing — I'll bet most Di these kids wouldn't do this at home, where their inlks knew about it. Anyway, i got the full blame for the Whole thing." There was a story on campus j ASK M‘isétr. “wilt! MUST THE WEI? mitts AND CAN hHiB «lime M6 so hum mini DID 5 DD?” 'ger. UV uni-n. mu... m that you had it run-in with the Oscar Lindsay Trio when they were In Grinnell last weekend. What happened? “That’s What I mean about getting blamed. Here's what happened. I was sitting at the bar when this Ne- gro guy looked in, went out, and fame back with two other Negroes. somebody said here come the coons: I didn’t say a word, 1 just got up and leit, and went to another place, and stayed there until it closed. i didn't think anything about it. The next day one oi the wait- resses told me that a white girl jumped up and kissed one ot the Negroes, but I didn't even see it. I just cleared out." Do you think your views about Negroes are typical oi Grinnell townspeople? “Well, the way 1 see it, there are peo ple in this town who are more and less prejudiced than me. But a lot oi the people wflsay they like Negroes have never lived with them, I have. A lot oi the people who really hate them don‘t do anything about It. I’ve lived with them. and i'll talk about it. I'm no back— stabber — I'll tell something to a person's lace. One night i was at the Pub, and this guy at the bar was saying how he didn’t like Negroes. And there was a Negro girl sitting in a booth who couldn't help over- hearing him — he hadn't no- ticed her. So I told him to shut up. some of the high school dropouts and young kids, [’11 call them punks, get into things and expect me to help them out. It's not my ilght. When that white college kid with thfl Photo by A. .i. Bernhardt JIM SLEBISKA Negro wile (the Terry Polands)‘ moved into a house, there was trouble from the neighbors and talk oil burning the house down. People come to me and said ‘what are you going to do about it'?‘I said 'nothing — it's not my neighborhood.’ “A lot oi townspeople base their judgment on stories, not iacts. And these college kids seem to be a different breed— thcy may he more intelligent, but they’ve got it lot less com— mon sense. There’s got to be u lot more understanding around here. “College kids get Iollowed back to the campus — 1 get the blame. They got called names — I get the blame. They get beat up — i get the blame. it I’m going to get the blame anyway. I might as well do it!" LOU KELLEY A LOT OF TALK CENTERS AROUND THEM STATISTICS SLIM RACIAL INCIDENTS COMPILED The 5&3 conducted In In- quiry into the extent of bar- essment of Negro students instigated by townspeople Out of approximately 5a Negro students on campus, 46 were lntervlewed by the 5&3 along with three Negm tacuL ty members Twenty—eight students and one faculty member reported no inci- dents. Ten students reported verbal abuses and 3 students and 2 lsoulty members re- ported othel- disturbances: Verbal abuse (consisting oi profanity or threats) was re- ported by: .ionu dc Mablor Scotti: Ray Quinton rue. rune rose in i. ANSWER, 566M559 you‘ke DiFF‘RENTi MOB‘I out! 'IMM'S wlhl n29 «Hm you. n Norris Stubbr Booker Crrter Adrienne Lemmonr l-loivam Ward reggy sunth rrink 'rhonius Specific incidents were re- ported as follows: Louis Kelly - attacked in his dorm room by a townie. Zelte Crawford (RA) # ver— bally abused and challenged to a fight by a townsman in the Pizza Pub. Mike Dejoie — verbal abuse! by Jim Slebiska; also ice thrown at him lit a restaurant by Sleblska, and other harass- ments. As Grady Murdock and Herb Peguee were crossing Elm Street last semester, a car raced out at them, brushing I‘I'S ’EUQII- Silva WII [15» Murdock and knocking him to the pavement, and narrowly missing Pegues, The car stopped abruptly and the occu- pants tilrew two bottles at Mun dock and Pegues and shouted proianities. Professor Denis de Coteau, while with his two-year old daughter has on several oc— casions been challenged to right by a town resident. in in- cidents similar to Murdock’l, de Coteau has been nearly run down by townspeople in cars. Last semester a large group of town teenagers tried to lurk round iiubert rarbes shouting. “Hello Jigaboo, what are you doing here?" and other derby ntory remarks. iiiiliiliillliiiliiiiiiiiliiililiiiliiliiiiiliiliiiliiiiiliiiiiiliiiilliiiiiiiiiilll EX LOCO Ex Loco Parentis, Grimell“ oilcampus coffeehouse wil open this Friday night tor tho first time this semesteri Th0 opening was delayed from last Friday to prevent competitim with North Campus Weekende The coiieehouse will receive about $500 from an SGA grand to pay for performing group; and to assure that the estab- lishment will remain open In the test oi the semester.