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Our first and last intention was to give our readers a comprehensive view of what had occurred without dealing in the extensive realm of emotion or supposition. Pressed by an early publication date due to the holiday this week, we are at this time unable to comment in full in any analysis of events, ' nor are we even sure that such commentary is necessary. We feel that we have given the students and the administration a fair representation in our news columns. We are now waiting to see what might further develop. For the time being we will stand as follows: The Committee on Student Affairs acted within its juris- diction when lt dealt with the South Younker case. Likewise, members of student government acted in good faith in their attempts to achieve what they considered the fullest measure of justice for the students involved in the penalty. We do not at this time see any need for alarm concerning the administra- tion’s possible usurpation of student government powers. In the event of a future crack-down on rule enforcement at the college, we can- see the role of student government changing, but we would not necessarily object to such a change. To those students most directly involved, with due respect for their honest concern with serving their fellows to the best of their ability, we would only issue a reminder that they are still Itudents, with an educational objective that does not include running the college. LD The Staff of the Scarlet and Black Would Like to Wish All of You A Happy Thanksgiving Day >(— X- . The annual Thanksgiving din- her will he served tomorrow af- ternoon at lldo in the Quad- rangle and Cowies Dining Halls. The menu is: Apple juice, assorted relishes, tossed salad with assorted dressings, roast turkey, corn- bread sluffing, giblot gravy, crarlhcrry~orange relish, savory green beans, whipped and sweet potatoes, creamed onions, oat- meal bread, pumpkin or mince‘ meat pie, and salted nuts. Guests are invited Io eat din~ nor with the students, The guest price is two dollars. ICARLET AND ILACK To the Editor: Do you suppose a mossy, ex- Grinnell jock (non - intellectual type) would dare engage Paul Trigg in an academic discourse re- garding his November lath Scarlet Fever article? l'm wondering if such former Grinuell lettermen as Gar Smith, Dick Orchard, Kirk VanRoyan, Denny Asby, Bill Par- sons, Bob Musser, etc. are of the non-academic type athletes Paul Trigg is talking about? it is hard for me to believe that these indi- viduals (and I can think of many more) were the hon-intellectual jock' variety when they arrived on campus; possibly, during their on- suing 'stay at Grinnell, they be- came intellectuals? Let us take the Championship 1960-61 basketball squad as an ex- ample, According to my personal knowledge (1 did get to know most of them personally) about to per cent of them went on to acceptable graduate schools. ls thisnonAaca- demic image? Could these Honor G athletes be of the jockrimage Coach Bowers and the School Bul- letin purport to convey to the gen- eral public? Following Grinnell football rather closely these past 4 5 years now, becoming acquainted with most of the squad members as I have, i would hazard a guess that something less than l per cent (and I believe you will find even Carleton with the same percent« age) of these squad members might be classified in the ‘Trigg’ category of questionable, Honor 6, image-type athlete. Possibly Paul Trigg's definition of non-intellectual lock is different than mine. Regarding the geographical syn- opsis: in looking over a Carleton 1962-63 basketball program, find over 75 per cent of their squad from the states of Minnesota and Illinois. Coach Young’s 1963 track roster reveals 32 athletes listed, 11 states represented and 12 members from the state of laws. Maybe trackmen aren’t considered in the lock category? Or has anyone seen soul-rent Lawrence football roster and noticed the people from the state of Wisconsin? (Yes, I think most academicians would consider Lawrence in the same class with Carleton and Grinnell). Living as close to Northfieid, Minn. as l have these past two years and being somewhat alert to Midwest Confer- ence athletic activities, i am more acquainted with the Carleton ath- letic image and their recruiting practices (i use the term loosely). Despite the fact that Grinnell has a ‘Special interests‘ man in their admissions office, lbelieve you will find little or no difference in the two schools approach to prospec- tlva high school students be it ath- lete or otherwise. By the way, be sure and notice a rather talented, rangy sophomore center on this year’s Carleton basketball team; he comes from (all places!) Cros- by—lronton, Minnesota, and I as- sure you he was courted and lunched just like any 800 board- score prospect. Wonder if we should question Carleton (our chief academic rival) or whether scholarship or admission was granted on strictly academic grounds? Paul H. Patterson '42 Minneapolis ) Younker Continued from Page 1 functions for a long period of time). The provisions for conduct probation, as stated in the Stu- dent Handbook are as follows: "Conduct probation is a rec- agnition of general lack of co- operation in citizenship, or the breaking of some specific rule. The terms of this probation are defined in each case by the ad- ministrative officials imposing the probation penalty. “This probation is a warning that severe discipline will be imposed if a student is again reported for a similar lack of cooperation or for violation of a social rule of the college.” In the case or South Younker, the provisions of the probation will be the following. A letter announcing the probation will be sent to the student and his parents, and will be placed in the files of the student in the Dean’s office. The members of the hall who hold campus of— fices will be allowed to keep them. The period of probation will continue until June 4, 1965, at. which time the letter will he removed from the files. The probation in no way affects a student’s permanent record. it does, however, mean that a major violation of the rules of the college during this time would place him under consid- eration for suspension. The Dean of Men explained that this penalty was felt by the committee to rest heavily on ”those who are accident prone," and have little or no effect on those students who make it a habit to obey the col- lege rules anyway. He ex- plained that the college has to provide a deterrent for gross violations, and that with this action by the FCSA, "the word is informally out that the col- lege stands ready to dismiss students, if necessary, for gross violations of its rules." “There is no such thing as hall responsibility in the ab- stract sense,” he said the com- mittee decided. “It's always people's violations," Ha furth- er explained that this particu- lar penalty was felt to be the “only way of designating re- sponsibility to the people there rather than to the hall as a theoretical concept. Fining the hall is not a good way to dis- ‘ ‘ charge the social responsibility. Removing s o c i 31 privileges wouldn‘t fill the educational purpose of a penalty." Shakespeare’s Birth There is no actual docu- mentary evidence to support April 23, 1564, as the date of William Shakespeare’s birth, but his baptism. however, has been recorded as of April 26. 1564. Wednesday. November 2! 19“ Letters to the Editor Parents Reply lo Trigg on ‘Non-lnlelleclual Jock' To the Editor: As a parent of an athlete at Grinnell, I feel compelled to reply to Mr. Trigg's column in the No- vember 13 issue, attacking the Grinnell athletes. i am trying to be restrained in my reply, hoping that Mr. 'i‘rigg was writing with tongue-incheek, but I am desper- ately afraid he was not. His ooh umn carries the wistful hope that Grinnell is somehow, in some mam ner, comparable to Carleton, No amount of hoping will change the awful truth. i am also a parent of a recent Carleton graduate and athlete. The second son, although welcomed to Carleton because of respectable College Board scores unfortunately (in my opinion) chose Grinnell, He received no scholarship, no aid, no nothing. He is still receiving noth- ing. Nothing in educational com- petence and nothing in leadership guidance or support either from the administration or from his col- leagues. Mr. Trigg believes that Grinnell would be improved by a larger per- centage of lowa’s com-fed, 800 plus College Board-students. Mr. Trigg is wrong. Grinnell is suffering and suffocating from its present 600 to 700 plus students from the great com state. The school, the Scarlet and Black, the students and the administration already have too much com, Harvard, Yale, Prince- ton, Stanford and others seem to be surviving with a fair supply of ath- letes from lilinois.(as well as other states) who, in addition to being able to discipline themselves suf- ficiently to participate in athletics, also have l.Q.'s comparable to the best “hybrids” from Iowa. If Grinnell has any future, and after seeing it sag for three years i doubt if it has, it lies in those students who meet its undeservedly high academic standards and still have time and desire enough to want to have some physical compe- tence and competition. Carleton and the other good schools seem to recognize this. Even the University of Chicago, my aima mater. learned the same thing, the hard way. an irate parent (name withheld on request) KING'S CHOCOLATES svecm BRIDGE DECKS wm. Matching Tally and lean sum- Pharmacy 40h Avenue