Page Four SCARLET AND BLACK N~e Friday. November [0. I96! €onsel‘vative And liheral Areas 0? Controversy Senators Procla’ed 012 Specific: by Jim Hatfield Two Us. Sena|ors were prod dad to step out or their partisan‘ Democratic and Republican Ioles called for more party responsi- io answer a nuInheI oi specifie‘bility. ‘Fol the party to deI questions on foreign aid and fincitspiogram to the American‘ policy, Amerlcan labor problems peoplc so you Is not voting for and the Issue of nuclear test the smile. the haircut m the jug heie Wednesday night. physique. We have heen In a The senatoIs wcie Hubert H PopulaIIty contest (in palm“), Iliummeey (Dem, Mm“) and not a contest oi pr,”Inciplc he Homer E Capahart (Rep Indy [said to conclude hoth scnai Debate moderator and admit- ms response to Mollenhofis ted needle at Grinnclls First Clitique of We panties ‘ Annual Political LectuIeship Summing up the two sona- u-as Clark R. Mollenhofl‘, Wash— tors' remarks, moderator Mol- Ington correspondent for the. lenliofi said: “\Ve have round Cowles publications (Des Maillcsi both to be ior youth, iacts, Register & T bune; Minneapolis realism, mother and home Star & Tribune; Look maga- now maybe we can find some- zine). The Tuesday-Wednesday- thing ior them to disagree Thursday series ot lcctuics and upon," I 1he debate \Iexe spOIIS_0ch by The senatois weIe first asked' the Grinnell Progiam In Plats their opinions on whethm Yugo- tiical‘ Political Education under 513m Should memo and can. the direction of c Edwin Gil- (“we to mews md Ifmm the Inour (political science). ‘Unimd smies‘ Launching the debate, Mol- Humphrey- “I voted i0. IL lenhofi cited the men for their I think it should be continued‘ consistent opposition io cor- Ibccause Yugoslavia represents million in AmericnI Humphrey a fracture in tho monolithic in laborr and Capelmt in Communist structure. 1 am In :u'sincss, but he cautioned the ,gaoor 5f gmng Yugoflavia mg 1500 Spectators in Darby gym Ibecausc it represents a positive to beware of the “two great Home for tranquility not, political actOIS" wifli their because we like Tito or their “his bags of tricks." Isuciallst system, (I would sugr‘ Speaking of the two parties, gest) less military aid and more Mellenboii criticized them ioII economic aid " The senator said vcessive “political paItisanshIp” .he voted against the sale of yet tor represent or you won't liavci nyonc to represent.” The Minnesota senator then‘ IUIiltcd Nations? - ing a subtle , away. Ich was exemplified he saiol,‘ in thei nalnhty to ogIee quickly on lahoI racket legislation and the tendency of hoth parties to paint the other as “the enemy” of the dormer. Capehart, first of the two scnatois to speak, said America needs ”more business in Wash- ington and less government In business." so big. he said, that it Is now “primarily a government of business” “There is it need," he Said, I in '- I ~ “far more practical men Washington, Many cuncnt ad- Ininistraiors don’t deal with the iacts, the situations as they exist This is an entirely different iiorld than one oi 59 years ago but two and tho still equals iour. My heart is as big as anyone 2153’s,” the Indiana senator said, “hut i want to help others in a practical way." Commenting on the wide— spread tendency to call one man a conservative, the next at liheral, the senator- when a person is labeled he “can’t be realistic , . , he has a tendency to follow party lines to savc face." Senator Humphrey, taking the microphone, said “politics in a democracy Is not supposed to he or experts I . I they should he on tap, not on top." The first duty of thc politi.I the assistant Senate md-‘ cian jority leader said, “is to teach, to mobilize public opinion and to be able to compromise with. out losing principle," “Some men want to judge politics as ii it wore a slide- rule operation." he said, “but politics is or the people , . . who may change their minds In the middle or the night I' :“II you want government," the ther commentodI senatoi “ you had bet- Covernment is gettingi said that i I epi escntative} lulzi I‘k‘alrcmt 1.0 Yugoslavia by [he U..S r ‘ Capehnrt: “I'm Opposed tOI Communism in any form, Yugo. slavia is a Communist country ‘- . it )5 uniealistic to lhmki' they ale not On the side of the Russians . . 1m opposed to giving them aid " \ Mollenhoii (to both) “What was your reaction to the Bel- grade conicrcncei" Humphrey: ”Some factors of Ithe conieroncc were reassuring it did endorse international arms inspection. 1 don't like ommunists either, hut if i can ,-see Communists fighting among themselves, i'In not above prev I‘moting it" Capchait: thn we supportI Yugoslavia, we encourage other‘ countries to question whether we really mean what we say.”‘ Humphrey: “Would that we could give money just to our‘ Ibclovcd Iricnds but we have to recognize that theic areI shades or grey (among inteir {Irrational loyalties). i j Mollenhoii: (to Humphrey) “Is‘ :tUs. Ambassador to Yugoslavia) l George IKcnnan against aid to: ‘Yugoslavizl in light oi (thatI country's aid to) Ethiopia? I Humphrey: Mr, Kennnn's stand on aid to Yugoslavia , . I “I don’t know ‘ not unusual tor countries we ‘ however, it is I aid to extend countries , I . ioi- example, ltaly and lsraeL The question we must ask is ‘Daes the pol~ icy we pursue meet our nn— 1 tionai interest?‘ When aid to i I i aid to other i Yugoslavia doesn't meet our ' national interest it ought to he stopped I feel it does “ answer that interest." I Mollenhott: (to both) “Should we give aid to Ghana roI the; Volta Dam pioject in light or) Best- Pizza in Town and Best Service Too AHRVANO'S Open Till 12: 00 PM. noiiy 10:30 PM. Sunday iioday?" the tact that (Prime Minister) Nkrumah has been spending millions of dollars for antlrUS. propaganda? Why would it henefit the policy of the United States to give such aid?" Capchai-t: “If those iacts arc , ' in line I celtailily would oppose , (extending and)“ Humphrey. “I douht that 1 would (favor extending) ai I Mollenhoff: “What is your re— action to the pattern 0f votes cast recently by India in the Should change our relations With dla?” Humphrey: “That India we » Inc I be; governed by people who are for , lndia is of vital importance to : the security of the U. s. . No country in the world more Communists in jail ex— cept Russia . . . India acts as a counteriorce to aggressive Red China on her northern hor— ch-s . . . Nehru may be play game of internar has tional polities . schism in rank. ot Communism is very important to the free world and our national secui» ity." Cupclmrt: “I don‘t like the votes . . . i wish India was more iriendiy and loss neutral. 1 am against giving money it should always he loaned, If you can give, you can loan. because with u gitt, a country might well develop prosperity with which they might have returned a loan with interest." Humphrey: “Aid to Yugoslavia Is a calculated rislc , . . tor Capchart might he right." Mollenhoit: (to both) “15 there any area of legislation needed! labor} such as the Teamsters, to deal with unions powerful Humphrey: “I know of new laws needed to catch a duet. if there Is a thief . . I would support corrective engr lation if It became necessary." no Capchnrt: “I knuw of no new legislation." '(AL this point the question was aslrcd again hy Mollenhom“ Humphrey ”I support the ex~ cinption which the Clayton Anti») to promote ‘ Sena- , Senator Hnbert Humphrey sits in on a class in American his- tory during his mid-week stay on campus. He was brought here L0 take part In Grinnell’s first annual political lectureship. Trust Act offers unions." Capchart: ”It seems to Isegmcnt ot our industry." I Humphrey: (heatedly to Mol- ‘leilhaiD “I’m troubled ‘this public forum Ii the Teamsters get so pig that they jeopardize the good of the coun- try . it.” Capohart: “I Can’t, add any- !Ihing to that," Molicnhon: Would you com- , ment on the wisdom oi the me. ‘that it \l‘Duld be uncunstltuliol‘lr' al to legislate against a special: _ nuclear testing in the atmos- rcsotution which was passed by h group oi Grinnoll stu- dents in which they oppnscd phere‘.’ Do you think such a aboutv resolution will be efieclive . I . the tact that you are conccn—I traiing on this specific Issue In. will President Kennedy listen to it?" Capehart: “I don't see how we can discontinue testing until we get a proper agreement from the“ pm my canGCungiKhiushchev that he will submit to arms investigation I . . 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